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what's going on everybody
welcome to sunday sunday
sunday night crossfit talk
what is going on what a
sunday first week of the
nfl been so much fun
watching football today um
but I went to pennsylvania
and hung out with my mom
for a day and a half I
dropped off walter and
she's gonna watch walter
for a couple weeks while
julie and I go to montana
to see my daughter next weekend
And for a week,
I went there for a full week.
So super,
super excited to go see her in
just a week from now.
How's everything going with Julie's knees?
So everything was going well.
The newest one didn't straighten fully.
Oh, no.
So she had to go back for
another round of PT sessions.
And she has a followup with
the surgeon on Wednesday, but it's,
it's just about fully straight now.
Um, and according to the PT,
so they'll do measurements
and everything with the
surgeon on Wednesday and
determine if that's good
enough or if she needs to
go back for some more stuff.
Um,
but she's getting around really well now.
Um, it's just,
she walks with a little bit
of a limp because her leg
wasn't straight.
Yeah.
but I think we're just about there.
So yeah, crazy.
I'm actually mad at myself.
She was not a good patient
on the second one.
After going through the first one,
she did not want to do all
the tools and stuff for the
second one as much.
And I should have been more
adamant about...
Cause there's a machine that
straightens your leg out
and straightens it and bends it.
We did it diligently on the first one.
Didn't do it diligently on the second one.
And I think that's what
probably cost her the
straightening of the leg.
Do you think that was like
just an impatience thing
from her or the first one
went so well that she was like, I like,
I'm going to be good.
I don't need all this.
think this one didn't the
second one went better so
she didn't feel like she
needed it as much um and so
she she like she was up and
recovered and walking way
faster on this one and I
think she just felt like
I'm past all that and so we
skipped the basic step that
was to get her leg straight
and and I would and I would
yell at her about it but
you know what that's like in a marriage
Um, after years,
you can just kind of tone
me out and move on with everything.
But I should have,
I should have just like set
the machine up and sorry,
get your butt up here.
Cause that's what he did on the first one.
I was very diligent about
making her do it like two
and three times a day.
And we did it.
It just like does it for her.
Right.
So she basically just needs
to like lay there and it
just extends and flexes.
Right.
But it's not comfortable
because she has to lay flat
and she can't do anything
else while she's doing it for an,
and it's an hour.
Once you're in the machine,
you're there for an hour.
Wow.
Yeah.
In about twenty four hours,
my beloved Chicago Bears
will be taking on Ken Walters,
Minnesota Vikings,
and it's going to be an epic,
epic matchup.
Have you been watching football all day?
So I drove back from
Pennsylvania this morning.
We got back about one thirty.
So once we got back,
it was unload the car and
then we just relaxed
because I was doing a lot
of stuff for my mom all
weekend and I was pretty whooped.
So hopefully they play
better than my Lions played.
was bad yeah not awesome
that was bad who were they
playing today they played
the packers it was rough
micah parsons got his first
sack as a packer oh yeah
the trade from uh dallas
yeah uh texans choked yep they did
The Bucs pulled out a win.
Baker Mayfield, in less than sixty seconds,
brought them back.
Pretty excited there for him.
Ken Walters,
it's Recycled QB broadcast today.
Rodgers, Fields, Darnold, Wilson.
Aaron Rodgers threw for four
touchdowns for the Steelers today.
Wow.
Forty-one years old, four touchdowns.
Pretty amazing.
And they won it on a
sixty-yard field goal at
the end of the game.
Yeah, Andrew,
I don't know how the Bengals won.
I would have thought it
would blow the Browns out.
It was not good.
Does Buffalo play tonight or tomorrow?
Tonight.
Buffalo plays tonight.
Yeah.
And it's the first week of
our fantasy football league.
And I don't think, Carolyn,
this is week zero for Carolyn.
I don't know what's going on.
I don't either.
And I love football.
I'm pretty knowledgeable in football.
And actually, I would say most sports.
I watch sports constantly.
But I haven't even opened
the app to look at what I need to do.
And if I'm supposed to be
benching players.
Because people talk about benching.
Are all of my players active every time?
Or do I have to put a
certain amount of my players?
Yeah, but...
It set it for you and it
would have picked your top
eight or whatever and just
put them in there.
I didn't touch mine.
It'll do it automatically for today?
It drafts it.
So you're drafting in order, right?
The players are good.
So it's putting your best
players into the lineup first.
So you're probably okay today.
But from this point forward,
you'll have to make sure
your players are playing,
that they're not hurt,
and move people from bench to active.
I had downloaded the app, but I haven't.
So Andrew Sten is playing Jamie,
and Andrew is ahead of Jamie right now.
Yeah, I don't think I did very good.
I am playing Jose,
and I think I'm ahead of him,
but it's predicting him to
win because he has Derrick Henry tonight.
So, yeah.
Yeah, that's me.
I'm just trying to see.
I'm at seventy.
Andrew's at eighty-three.
Okay.
My team.
I don't even know who's on my team.
I have Joe Burrows.
Okay.
Yeah, he had a bad day, though.
My wife has Joe Burrows.
They barely won.
I watched that game today.
What does Seahawks D slash ST?
You have the Seahawks defense.
Yeah.
And then special teams?
Yes.
Yeah,
if their special teams or defense
score a touchdown,
you get points for that.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
I'll check this out later.
Do a better job of whatever I had today.
Yeah.
If it comes down to it,
you can assign a second
manager to your team,
and they can help you with
all of that stuff.
Oh, good to know.
Ronica, if you're watching,
tell Sam she's getting
drafted to be my manager.
Um, John,
I think you would know the answer
to this.
Carolyn put zero into her draft pre-draft.
Uh, I didn't, I missed the draft night.
So it automatically picked all my players.
And then I got an email,
you get a C grade.
And I was like, uh, Carolyn,
you should start the
Argonauts Argonauts running back.
I think we were trying to
get Shadur Sanders to come
to CFL because he was
getting shafted in Cleveland.
So maybe eventually my
Argonauts can have Shadur Sanders.
Jeff Bako says dump them all
in the chat GPT on each
Tuesday and ask who to start.
That's not a bad idea.
That's not a bad idea.
I might try that route.
And the C was better than
Hiller's F. What did he do?
No, my F. Oh.
Getting a C for her draft was better than.
Yeah, it's an upgrade.
It's an upgrade.
I'll take it.
I'll take it.
Yeah, so it's been a fun week.
My team doesn't play yet.
So I hate when my team has
Monday night as its first
week because then you have
to just wait extra long.
Like, I'm ready to just see a game.
I've been waiting for this
new Ben Johnson thing to, like,
unveil and what do we have.
And apparently we have a lot
because when he left Detroit,
they went into the shitter.
Yeah.
It pisses me off that he left.
I mean, I get it, but.
Thirteen million reasons why he left.
Yeah, I get it, but.
First time we've ever paid for a coach,
by the way.
So, all right.
So we're trying something new this week.
We are trying factor fiction
right off the top because
it always seems that Jamie
doesn't read the notes and
Jamie spoils the factor
fiction earlier in the show
with her comments.
So we're going to do it first.
And then if she spoils
something later in the agenda,
then we'll just cross it
off and nobody will know.
So I do have to say, Jamie,
you really freaked me out.
Your top is so close to your skin color.
When you came on, I was like,
did she forget to put clothes on?
I have a story that I had
put up a year ago.
This is a Fleo set,
and I actually have the matching shorts.
And I was like handstand walking away,
and it does not look like I
have any clothes on.
It doesn't.
It just freaked me out a
little bit right off.
All right.
My blood pressure is now
back down to normal.
All right.
So here we go.
Factor fiction right off the top.
No warmup, no nothing.
Just like Jamie and kill
Taylor last weekend around
two is for the warmup.
Yes.
Here we go.
You didn't do it this week.
Did you?
Sorry.
I did not.
It was a thirty thirty inch box jump over.
If it would have been twenty four inch,
maybe I would have considered it.
But I'm not doing thirty inch box.
Yeah.
Yeah.
A factor fiction.
We are using too many
machines in competitions.
You know, my thought on that.
I agree with seven when he says this, like,
yeah,
I would rather see two running workouts,
three, right?
Like in a weekend,
I think unless you have
like a bicycle where you're
like actually riding and
you can see a race and
that's like at the games,
there's like a road bike or
something like that.
Like when, when you took the,
like the L one and stuff,
like it was always,
we don't use machines.
We are the machines.
We are the machines.
We move things.
We're not, you know,
stuck to a pace or what,
like you're moving it.
And then I,
we're just getting more and more machines,
but I get it because of the
sponsors and we need more
like monostructural things
and workouts and
But I would rather see like
a long distance run and
then also shorter distance run,
like different types of
running over just a bunch of machines.
Yeah.
Yeah, I just think,
I feel like a lot of the
workouts lately have been,
especially like at semifinals and stuff,
like it seems to be based on the machine.
Like even like our machine workout,
our echo bike double under workout,
like that was so heavily skewed on the,
I mean,
if it was a twenty kale mix with
other things that are
taking several minutes and
it's like in there to like fatigue you,
cool.
But it seems to be like,
that's the workout, the machine.
And I don't like that.
Yeah,
as long as it's balanced type of workout,
I think that works, but you're right.
Like a lot of times it's
either completely
irrelevant and it's a
buy-in it's for meters and
whether you go a one fifty
five pace or a two minute pace,
like it won't matter.
Or if you don't have like
the biggest power output,
like you're so far behind
that even if you're
crushing all the other movements,
like it doesn't matter.
So yeah,
I think just finding a more
balanced workout with the
machines where I think
sometimes it can matter, obviously,
but like,
just feel like oftentimes it's
the big part of the workout.
Um,
Shut up and scribble looked at the
programming from semis in like,
or six events, all CrossFit one rower.
Yeah, I mean, before the last couple years,
the rower was really the
only thing you saw at competitions.
Maybe the echo bike was starting to come,
but... Yeah, but even, like,
it was an assault bike before then,
and Rogue just developed
the echo bike in the last
handful of years anyway.
But it just seems weird.
You say sponsors, but, like,
all of the equipment used in
the age group games was from rogue,
except for once.
No.
Yeah.
I don't know.
In the games, the games,
they use the woodway, which is rogue.
They use the echo bike and the echo rower.
And rogue isn't really a sponsor.
They're,
they're just kind of the equipment
provider.
Right.
And,
It just doesn't seem like
that's something that Rogue
wants to advertise.
Or am I wrong?
It just... I don't know.
I think it's pretty good
advertising for them.
I think it sells the machines.
How do you like the Rogue Roar?
I like it.
Do you see any difference?
No, not really.
I mean, it's...
I mean, when you, when I first got on,
I was like, Oh, it feels like the,
the echo bike.
Like you can tell it's that
like belt driven.
Like it just feels almost like smoother,
I guess.
I don't know.
Um, what the, I mean,
the concept to rower is
like really can't be beat.
It's just, I like wheeling.
I like wheeling the row grow around, um,
I like that it folds up,
although I will say it's
almost like a bigger footprint folded up.
But the wheels on it are nice.
It's not great for burpee over rower,
though, because it's taller.
I haven't tried the burpee
over that rower.
Yeah.
The other thing that I think
Siobhan did with Greg is
that it's the lowest level of skill.
because anybody can hop on a rower.
Anybody can hop on a, an echo bike.
Anybody can hop on a ski erg and,
and move it.
Right.
And even like the first time
I ever saw a skier was in a
competition and I won the
competition just because of
my size and fitness level.
At that point, I didn't have,
it's not a technique thing.
I didn't have to learn a skill.
And so I,
I kind of agree with them there too.
Like,
That's a problem.
You're not really learning
anything at that point.
But I do think it's a great training tool.
Like,
it is a quick way to fatigue you for
the rest of a workout.
And I think... I'm kind of
like what Jamie said.
I think they're okay in
moderation or in the right use,
but it seems like we've
gotten lazy with it.
And just like when you want to...
do a cardio aspect of the
workout you just throw a
machine in there instead of
being more creative with
the movements but anyway
you're the guys the ones
that have to do them and I don't so
Someone, uh, Kenneth said,
who would have thought Sai
Wan's little nursing about
machines would have been
discussed for two weeks?
We've been talking about
this for a lot more than two weeks.
Like we've been talking
about this for like at
least a year on this show.
Jamie's been talking about
this since I've known her.
Yeah.
Uh, and then clock on the, those machines.
Yeah.
Like those machines.
And then what I liked about
the assault runner is like
you were moving it, but I still like,
I want to,
I don't know.
I still think that a lot of those machines,
like if you weigh more,
you're just going to do better.
And like, are we testing fitness?
Are we testing who weighs
the most and can just kind
of have more power from that?
Like people that are not
necessarily fitter can just
crank that echo bike,
but I don't know that they're right.
I mean, they're doing more work, I guess,
but I mean,
they're gotten better with
like the scoreboards there or whatever,
clocking the kills,
but it's just not as
visually appealing as
actually watching people
run and pass people.
And I mean, it's just not as exciting.
Or I do like,
like the biking workouts at the games,
like that one bike where it
was like the bike with the
legless in twenty twenty.
Was it like this?
Yeah.
Yeah.
The bike to work.
the crit like those those
were those are great like I
and it has like athleticism
too absolutely um yeah I
think in moderation but
let's be honest the the
crit was awesome I loved
watching it but we we at
wfp for equipment
malfunctions how many bikes
died in that crit
But that's a user error as well.
It's people changing their gears wrong.
It's people putting their
pedal down too much as
they're turning and the
pedals getting stuck.
That's a user for a lot of them.
It was their own fault.
Not changing the gears at the right time.
I think so.
I think one of the most fun
workouts to watch ever was
the rope climb bike at the twenty games.
But they only had five athletes,
so it was really easy to kind of do that.
Heavy people aren't punished
having to move being heavy
when it's a machine.
Absolutely.
True.
I know.
They're usually, I mean,
I feel like it's usually
paired with like a barbell
or something heavy already.
So they're already at an
advantage in that workout.
All right.
Okay.
Next one.
This is the big one.
Factor fiction.
Rich has the right to flex
his muscles and demand to
be part of the new ownership group.
That is in case you wanted
to know which rich.
I'll say fact.
I mean, I feel like, yeah, I feel like he,
if that's what he wants,
I I'm torn on it.
If he actually like really wants.
a role in it, but if he wants to,
he has what?
Almost half of the space?
He's got so much,
so many mayhem affiliate
people that will follow him.
I think having him be a part
of the ownership group, like you said,
if he wants,
is extremely valuable to
CrossFit because you don't
want to lose that many people.
Go ahead.
think he has the right to
flex his muscles whether
it's going to work or not I
have no idea right I don't
know if the new owners are
even going to consider it
at all but I think he has
the right with as long as
he's been in it with the
business he's built from it
to have to try to have a
say now whether the new
owners care is another
thing um I mean I think the
word demand is strong but
I think he should be considered.
Maybe it would be a better thing there,
but yeah.
Did you guys see the
interview with Peter and
Coffee Pods and Wants?
Yeah,
I'm through like eighty percent of it.
I'm still super confused
what happened with Malik.
I don't think anybody has
actually said what has happened.
Okay.
I don't know which
interviews I've watched of Rich lately.
I feel like I
I don't know if I watched that one or not.
It was a good, it was a great interview.
I probably did.
Sometimes I tune out on some stuff.
the big shockers of it were
that he has not talked to
facundo other than two
times okay I didn't watch
that one unless that was
from another one and now
it's this from peter and
then that he um he did a
one eighty with malik got
into it realized that it
wasn't what he thought it
was gonna be so he's
flipped the script on that
and that he wants somebody
from mayhem at the table
And Dave it's,
and he was asked if Dave was
put into this role,
would you be okay with it?
And he said, no.
Oh, wow.
Because eight years of not
being talked to.
Fifteen years and he kind of
doubled a little bit.
Um, and so it's been, it's,
it was really an eye opener for me.
Cause it went from like here,
I want this to it's a demand.
It's an ultimatum.
We better be at the table or we're gone.
Yeah.
Cause he was like, what could,
like Dave could have done
some stuff in the last, like post Greg,
like he was like, maybe prior to Greg,
Dave couldn't have done
maybe certain stuff,
but past the Greg era,
like what's going to change
now that like that he
didn't do before or something like that.
I was cleaning at the same time.
So I'm like,
I remember some parts of the
conversation.
Yeah.
I do that too.
So Jenny's in the chat.
Facundo was on their show
today with Glintons.
I did not get a chance to
watch it yet because of
driving from Pennsylvania
and then watching some football.
But I did see her clip on
Instagram where Facundo
said he did text Rich since
that interview.
Um,
and then she teased the next part that
I'm dying to know the answer to, um,
in their Instagram about,
she asks him who for mayhem could,
has the ability to be at
the table and what is going
on with the sale and Malik.
And then she left it hanging
there for you to go watch
the episode to find out.
So, um, I have not done that yet.
Uh, it's glinting and things.
Um,
which I have really grown to
love their podcast because
they have so much
excitement for this sport.
And I have lost that and
gotten a little bitter over the years.
And I love that they are,
that they have brought all
that back for me.
And,
and so I just like it because they're
looking at it with fresh eyes,
which sometimes I forget.
And it's a good reset for me
to look at things with
fresh eyes and what it
and what CrossFit really is.
Yeah.
Cool.
So, uh,
jaded Scott turns into angry Scott.
Yeah.
I'm now calling my lunch show.
Angry man yells at the clouds.
Um, but I've got to get over it.
I gotta, I gotta, I don't know.
Maybe I don't, I don't know.
It's a good stick for a while.
Yeah.
It may be just my own personal therapy.
Yeah.
Um,
Yeah.
Rich,
rich basically said he doesn't want
to be like CEO or anything,
but like in an, in,
he wants to be in an advisory role.
Andy wants someone from mayhem to be,
he thinks that someone from
mayhem should be CEO.
Oh,
because he was asked who should be CEO.
And he said someone from here, but not,
I mean,
it's going to have gone from
mayhem empire.
He is still on the payroll,
according to Rich, in the Peter.
Now, I don't know what Facundo said today,
again, on this show.
Everything is moving so fast
in that thing.
We don't know where we are.
Maybe Jenny can tell us if he is still.
But Rich says he's still on
the Mayhem payroll.
Okay.
They just hadn't talked.
Yeah, exactly.
Rich says he's on the payroll,
but lots of September left.
that's crazy.
So yeah,
I believe he has the right to do it again,
whether people will
actually listen to him or not.
I don't know.
I think they should.
I do think he has enough
influence with all of the
mayhem athletes with all
the mayhem programming that
he does actually have.
He is a going to be at the very minimum,
a disruptor in the sale,
unless you get him on board with you.
I mean, quite honestly,
if he has four thousand
affiliates or whatever it is,
nearly half.
If if for some reason not
all of them would follow him,
but I think a large chunk would.
But I think just doing that
would precipitate another one,
two thousand who have who
have been watching the sale
and curious what to do, you know,
kind of nervous.
I mean,
you're liable as a brand to lose
over six thousand
affiliates if you don't go this route.
I feel like I'm confused.
This might be a silly question.
When they say mayhem affiliate,
does that mean that people
are doing the affiliate
programming or is it some
or is it like another fee that you get?
There are like gyms pay.
There are two levels from my
understanding.
There are those that do the
Mayhem programming.
Like their affiliate class.
That you sign up with for
support and additional stuff.
What I've heard, and again,
this is not official.
It's what I've heard,
is that there's about a
thousand that are at that
upper level of full support.
There's about four thousand
that do the programming.
That makes sense.
I can see that.
Yeah.
I guess I don't like, is it,
so it's basically like the
CrossFit licensing, like the name,
like the affiliate fees,
but it's the mayhem
affiliate fees at a cheaper price.
So it kind of undercuts
CrossFit or cause like people won't be an,
an affiliate of CrossFit,
but there'll be.
Currently they're supporting CrossFit.
It is just,
it's another level of like
support that you get from,
Like a high rocks affiliate.
No, it's not even like those.
This is just,
you are mayhem pro you're
doing mayhem programming,
but you want all the bells
and whistles of like
someone you can call and
talk to different things like that.
And you get,
it's like a little bit higher level.
They have not moved to like
an affiliate model.
Like we know it today.
And at the current time, like,
and I think it was obvious
in that interview that rich
wants CrossFit to do the
right thing and wants it to
stay where they can be supportive of it.
I don't think he wants to
create his own affiliate,
but if worse comes to worse, he's like,
we're going to do the same
stuff and it's going to be CrossFit.
I'm just going to take it off the signs.
It's just going to say mayhem.
which he's already started
printing like mayhem fitness shirts.
Now he did downplay that in the interview.
He said it's what fit in
that design of that shirt.
And they've been doing it
for some time on some of their shirts.
He said it just something
different than mayhem
CrossFit all the time.
So anyway, I,
this story is just beginning
and I'm sure we're going to see more.
Yeah.
Carolyn, what would you have?
What's the difference in, okay.
People get mad at other people,
not saying CrossFit or whatever,
and they don't,
they don't have an affiliate.
And then they're basically
doing the same thing,
but like mayhem affiliate, just not yet.
They're not yet.
Like that would be their plan though.
Yes.
Yes.
So everything that people
have been mad at other people,
they would be doing that.
Okay.
I'm just trying to get that correctly.
So it's not.
yeah yeah and and everybody
they're saying it in the
chat but and that the
austin maliolo hire was to
set them up if they need to
do that and basically was
asked would it be an
immediate thing if it
didn't happen the way you
wanted or would it happen
over time and he was
basically saying they have
set it up that if they want
to flip the switch tomorrow
they can do it yeah
But could they not?
I guess not.
It wouldn't be sued like
other things because it's.
They just they couldn't use the name.
That's what's trademarked.
A squad isn't trademarked or copyrighted.
That's yeah,
it's basically the same thing as other.
You just can't use the name anymore.
But he even said in the interview, like,
if it meant for our
athletes to be able to go
to the CrossFit Games for
us to be affiliated,
we would stay affiliated.
We would just take CrossFit
off of the signage.
It would be like we're an
affiliate in hiding.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just what Jenny said there.
It's just interesting
because you hear people get
mad at other people all the
time that don't say the
word CrossFit or do
something else that we all
know is CrossFit.
I don't know.
That's one of the things that upsets me.
Cause I'm one of those
people that get shit on for
basically being a CrossFit gym, but not.
And I've said this, I mean,
for like the past year,
I've been waiting to decide
to affiliate or not,
but I've been watching
what's been happening with the sale.
And then your,
your God that you got
worship is saying exactly
what I'm saying.
And like, it's fine.
Cause it's rich.
If he does it, it'll be fine.
But like,
I've been so like waiting to see
what's happening before,
like throwing forty five
hundred dollars a year at,
And but I'm vilified.
But that's what I was getting at is like,
no one's no one says
anything for for like rich
because he's go, you know?
Yep.
But it's the same thing as
other people are doing.
Yep.
Right.
But we don't.
But people are doing what's
best for their business, too.
And like,
it's expensive to that affiliation fee.
Like that forty five hundred
is so expensive.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, let's take one example, right?
So you take Malik,
and he has said that
CrossFit isn't good enough on its own,
that you have to do longer workouts,
and then when you do the longer workouts,
you can eat whatever you want.
That's not CrossFit.
And so if someone took that
over and tried to redefine
what CrossFit is,
I would understand
completely why people would
now want the name off of the building.
That's not what we believe in anymore.
Yes, Berkshire bought CrossFit,
but they kept the pyramid the pyramid.
They kept what it is the same.
And then it's been a struggle to like...
Do we agree with what they're doing?
Yes or no?
Maybe.
But at least the philosophy is the same.
If what Malik has been out
there preaching is not CrossFit.
The move max.
Right.
Yeah.
And so if he's the one that buys it,
then it makes every bit of
sense in the world to not
want to be a part of that anymore.
Yeah, for sure.
It's not what you believe.
So I think that's the big difference.
And Rich cited that in that
interview with Peter.
Like,
here's a guy saying he wants to buy
CrossFit,
but he doesn't believe in CrossFit.
But I think it went beyond Malik.
Because even if... Yeah,
I'm not sure if that's the only reason,
though.
Oh, I...
If you've followed Rich for a long time,
he has not been happy with
the way things have gone.
And he believes that he
doesn't have a say that much.
And he, whether, yes,
he won the games four times.
He did the team thing for six times.
But he also is one of the
biggest affiliate owners in the world.
Right?
That's the other piece that
Rich has that other games
athletes don't have.
Mayhem has got to be in the
top five largest CrossFit
affiliates in the world.
Oh, easily.
So that is a big thing.
And he also said Malik is
not pulling the strings.
That's a big deal too.
Yeah.
So...
Yeah, if CrossFit loves sugar now.
If CrossFit loves sugar,
we're talking a whole
different ball game now.
Yeah, that's not in the hundred words.
Yeah, it's like,
don't look at the athletes
from the games.
Yeah, I mean,
I think that's part of the
problem with Rich, right?
Like, the sport side is different,
and those athletes are different,
and you can't really look
at them or their eating habits.
Like, yeah, it's different.
It's different.
But if you look at the mayhem media,
they've done,
they've done videos on the
person that came in and
lost a hundred pounds.
Oh yeah.
You know, like he has that side of it too.
So, so anyway, yeah,
I think it's really
complicated because none of
us are in on these negotiations.
All we get are the little
parse pieces that come out.
So to, to try to interpret everything and,
And so I just,
I just wanted to pose it as
does rich as one of the
largest affiliate owners in
the world without saying that, uh,
have the right to flex his
muscles and say, Hey,
I better be at the table or
you've lost me.
Yeah.
It's like not,
it's like not asking your
biggest customer,
their opinion or what
they're looking for.
Yeah.
Lance got fat people to ride
road bikes and I wear air
Jordans and can't dunk.
All right.
Well, that was a good one.
It's just interesting
because it's like we have a
lot of momentum right now, I feel like,
with the media team.
And there's been some great
content coming out.
Their YouTube channel has
had some good discussions
on just a variety of athletes or topics.
And it's going to be interesting.
Whenever that sale happens, like,
are they going to fire all
of these people that are
making these changes in media?
Like, it's just...
you just wonder what kind of, um,
pivot they might do.
Like, you just don't know.
Right.
That unknown is interesting.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I,
I've loved the messaging coming out from
CrossFit right now.
Um,
and I think it's heading in the right
direction.
I was watching yesterday.
It was on,
I think it's CrossFit's YouTube
channel and it was, um, um,
my god I'm blanking on their
names right now but they
were talking about the
serena ad for yeah the glp
one yeah what is it called
glp one or something yeah
and it was a interesting
discussion on that on their
youtube channel and stuff
that we just haven't seen
from crossfit in a very you
know or maybe I just wasn't
paying as much attention
maybe it was there all
along um but yeah just just some
Good discussions on some
topics that are relevant
right now in the space and
just kind of CrossFit's
opinion on it and how we
can help people in
different ways than resorting to that.
Yeah.
For everyone, right?
Because for some people, it's beneficial.
And maybe that now becomes the linchpin.
You know,
Greg had the Soda Wars in the teens.
Maybe it is going up against the GLP-I's.
Maybe that is the thing that
brings us all together
again to fight the one big
problem we have in this
country and that CrossFit
is a solution for that.
So, all right.
Next fact or fiction.
What a Palooza SoCal and the
world fitness project
finals are going back into the water.
This is finally the right time.
I mean, in fact,
I would say they probably
could have done it sooner.
I mean, I think,
I think Norcale doing it
last year when they did it
was the right time.
Yeah, we did a lot like at NorCal.
It was, we had like almost,
I think one person on a
paddleboard watching one athlete.
Um,
we were forced to have a personal buoy.
We were at an arm's length
that we wanted to from
noodles that were like making, um,
like the perimeter of our
route so that you could touch it.
Um, so that like,
it was definitely much
safer than a lot of.
other events that I've done in the water,
um, is the right time.
Yeah.
I mean, we don't know what it looks like.
We don't know how many
people they'll have on the water.
What time of the day?
I mean,
what a Palooza has done some early
mornings,
but I think it's just one
athlete going in the water.
So if they don't have enough
people to watch that,
Because it's part of the team.
It's just a relay, right?
Yeah.
Isn't it just like two?
Is it just world versus?
Yeah, I don't know.
World.
Yeah, I think it's a relay.
So I think everybody from
the team has to do it once.
But it's only going to be
two people in the water,
one from each team at a time.
Yeah.
CrossFit says Jaws four.
It's time.
This time it's personal.
Jaws three D was so bad.
I cannot believe they made a Jaws four.
Did you add the WFPs in a pool though?
Right?
Versus open water?
I don't know.
I think I think it's I
thought I heard open water,
but I could be wrong.
And they might have just said swimming.
Did you watch the podcast
that Rich did with Austin
and they were talking about like,
awesome was talking about
that swim from like, I don't know.
I don't know.
They were talking about how
Dave was just like, you know,
it was insane.
Yeah.
If you went back and watched
like the thing,
the way they talked about
the swim before what happened, it's,
it doesn't age well.
Um, but yeah, I,
I think it's time to go
back in the water.
I think this is a good, you know,
unlike our, our machine discussion,
this is a good test of fitness.
Um, and I think it is something that,
that helps with the programming and, um,
I'm glad they, they're,
they're starting to bring it back.
I do think that there needs
to be a list of.
criteria for like different
competitions to use.
I mean,
I'm sure any competition that uses
the name CrossFit can't do swimming yet,
but Waterpalooza is not
using the term CrossFit and
neither is WFP,
so they can technically do
their own things, right?
But if you are under
like a CrossFit licensing event.
I don't think that you've
had the green light yet to
do a swimming event,
but I still think like a
good practice of like,
there should be a list of like,
if you're doing open water,
if you have this many athletes,
you need this much on the water.
Like that can be shared with
all of competitions that
are around the world that
are doing CrossFit events.
I think that should
definitely be out there.
And I haven't seen anything
that's like official on like,
what are the best practices and,
all of that um it is a pool
in another country that's
what I thought um and craig
makes a good or I think it
was craig someone said I
don't know someone made a
good point it is going to
be winter time in december
uh where in copenhagen
probably not the ideal time
to open water swim yeah sure ice bath go
Remember when I could use,
when I one could use the word CrossFit?
That's how we ended up with OCT.
What's OCT?
Absolute course?
No, it's James Fitzgerald's OPT.
OPEX?
I don't know what they're saying.
I don't know.
don't know I shouldn't have
read it because I just
pulled it up oh see throw
down oh orange county okay
so lots of available
lifeguards yes yeah uh
maybe I should stop
There we go.
All right.
So there's that.
We have one last one just
for fun because we're in
the off season and there's not a lot of,
a lot of news other than
what we've already talked about.
Factor fiction.
Reebok made the original CrossFit shoe.
Some have come close,
but none have surpassed them.
I mean, Reebok is always reliable to me.
Like I've had every version
of the Reeboks and they're,
They're always good.
Like I've worn other shoes,
just like sponsorship wise and stuff.
And they're great,
but I can never say a bad
thing about any of the
Reebok ones really that I've had.
Um, it's a great shoe.
I don't know.
I'm sure there's as good.
Yeah.
They're getting closer.
I feel like there's some getting close,
but yeah, like those twos,
there's not much better.
Yeah.
I, I've, I like the floors a lot.
I thought the fours were good.
Two.
I missed the twos.
I was a three, four guy, even the fives.
And then the eights,
was it the eights or the nines?
Nines.
Nines are the ones I have a ton of.
Yeah.
I like the nines.
Yeah.
I like the nines a lot.
And as much as I've liked
the other shoes I've had, like,
I really like the Adidas
drop sets and I really like the rad.
Yeah.
I like, I had rad all of last year.
I like those a lot too.
Um, I, when, if I always resort back to my,
my Reeboks, uh,
just if I want to feel right.
What, uh, they were able,
they were our shoes, uh,
Yeah,
I feel like that's how you can spot a
true CrossFitter.
Like, now when I see other, like,
Nike Metcons, like,
I see tennis kids wearing Nike Metcons.
Like, I'm like, I don't, you're,
unless you have a, like, a Nano,
a Nano on, I don't think you're,
I don't know.
I have a pair of Nano, too, in the closet,
worn twice.
In some nines, yes,
there are better shoes.
Oh, you think there are better shoes?
Hmm.
I don't know.
I think those are about the best,
best two.
Like I do like other shoes.
Like I, I love the one,
like the tier ones that I wear.
I like the rad ones that
I've worn and Reeboks.
Like those have been the
main three that I've worn
my whole career.
But like Reebok was my shoe for,
of my career,
probably eight to nine years
where I only wore Reebok.
understand I miss being able
to do custom nanos I do too
that was fun all right so
the reebok batting average
is unmatched that's a great
point yeah they've
definitely had more hits
than misses john gets it
I walk up to a guy in a
store that had on nanos
this was just asked him
what box do you go to we
both started laughing
exactly yeah all right
there we go okay so that is
factor fiction for this
week is anyone watching the
vmas are we interrupting the vmas
That's something I watch on
record so I can skip the
awards and just go to the performances.
All right.
Quick hit news from the week.
Annie sells Reykjavik to BKG.
Thoughts on that?
It just makes me think she
is just checked out.
When you think about that, Jim,
you think about the daughters.
Do you think about
them doing workouts on that
pull up bar that like they're like all on,
um,
they want to people that go there from
the airport.
Like, I think,
I think it's like the most
Ubered place in that city
to go from that airport to that gym.
Um, but I mean, if someone else is going,
it wants to,
is going to do a better job and is more,
you know,
driven to to continue the
reign like she's obviously
like she started her family
um like maybe she has other
priorities that she wants
to attend but I think
whenever you have someone
that's hungry to get
started something and I
mean the blueprints there
for the success of that gym
um I mean it's bkg right
it's going into great like
it's not going to anyone
that doesn't know well
history and stuff it's the
third baby I think it's
probably the right time
like you she wants to focus
on her family that's fair
yeah yeah like we don't
really have the the
reasonings like people will
assume she's kind of gone
away from the cross it but
like it could just be that
she wants to do other
things or she sees the
writing on the wall who
knows who knows yeah
Because of everything going on around it,
you can speculate in a
million different directions.
She did come on, I think,
BKG's post and say that it was just time.
Her third baby is on the way.
She just cannot devote the
time that she could before.
And she wanted to make sure
that it was going in the right hands.
Um, and BKG's post was awesome, um,
that he wants to get back to coaching,
but by no means does this
mean he is retiring.
He may be old, but he's not done.
I think it was what he said.
Um, but you know, and we,
but the other stuff we
could speculate just like rich,
maybe she's fed up with everything.
She's probably one of the
top five largest affiliate
owners in the world too.
Yeah.
And isn't it ironic that
they are probably two of
the top five all-time largest affiliates,
and they won their first
CrossFit Games in the same year?
That is crazy.
Yeah.
Jamie's comment about the VMAs,
I'm trying to find...
Uh, no, Jamie,
we've been waiting all night for us.
Yeah.
For Sunday night.
He wanted me to sing it and I already, um,
and Ken says, Jamie, Jamie, Jamie.
Um, no, a lot of like,
well wishes a great move for Annie.
Um, agreed.
Hope she takes the time to
enjoy motherhood.
Um,
and uh bkg will do a great
job and she and pkg have
had the same coach forever
yami's been their coach all
along uh so and then cross
fat says alliance fans have
canceled the season already
they're watching the vmas
oh that's that's not what
he said I'm not watching
the vmas I watched the game it was rough
All right.
So next thing is Rogue has
been sending out invites to
the Rogue Invitational,
as well as they have
launched the queue for qualifiers.
Oh, it's done now?
Yeah.
Until tomorrow.
No, tonight at eight.
Oh, tonight at eight.
I added that in the notes to
look at the leaderboard.
Okay.
All right.
So let's look at the invitees first,
since I have that up already.
And then I'll pull up the leaderboard.
Which will change definitely
for Rogue because people
will not weigh their
weights and forget to do
that and just point their
videos to their weights.
And there's a lot of stuff
you got to follow.
So it started with Grace Walton,
then Colton Mertens, Paige Semenza,
Lucy Campbell, Guy Mejeros,
Olivia Kerstetter, Chandler Smith,
Abby Domet, Noah Olson, Danny Spiegel,
Samuel Quant.
Those are the people who
have gotten their invites already.
And it's really weird
because they're doing this
rogue ranking now that goes
back in history five years.
And I think there's some
fault with it when you see
who's on the list.
For sure.
Did you skip Heppelainen for a reason?
Did I skip Heppelainen?
Oh, he got dark on me.
Heinrich Heipleinen as well.
Sorry.
Right there.
So that one sort of shocked me.
So it was a year ago at
Rogue that he tore his Achilles,
and now he's back to compete again.
I think that's... Yeah,
we haven't heard from him, really.
Right.
It's up to him.
He can do whatever he wants to do.
But when I talked to Chelsea Nicholas,
who is an age group athlete
in the thirty-five to thirty-nine,
she tore her Achilles at
the Games two or three years ago.
her doctor who she had the
same surgery Aaron Rogers
had said that it is not
fully healed for eighteen
months and there's nothing
you can do to build it up
it is a tendon it is not a
muscle and uh that just
seems scary to me but it's
his body he can do William
Leahy came back pretty
early he was doing some
great stuff I was shocked
how quickly Leahy came back
but yeah I was surprised to
see him back um
But, I mean, if he's back,
good on him for doing the
right rehab and getting himself ready.
And not having a setback, Gabby.
We do have breaking news.
This just in,
Rich has announced that he
may withdraw support for
the Lions if he doesn't
approve their offensive schemes.
All right, there is the cue.
But I cannot, I don't see the leaderboard.
Go to the rogue.
Just go to the rogue website,
search the queue at the top.
And then scroll down and
eventually you'll see like
a leaderboard option.
I am not getting that.
Okay.
Search for the queue in robe, the queue.
So on it, go on rogue fitness.
I'm going to show you, cause I am there.
Okay.
Um, I go and go on the whiteboard normally,
but so, okay.
You're at the queue is now search,
search at the top.
Yeah.
The queue.
Okay, click on that one, the Q, qualifier.
Click on it.
Yeah, scroll down.
Scroll, scroll.
Wait, where's yours?
Was it that link up there, right there?
Sure, go to that.
But no, that's the scorecard.
That's not it.
I can't.
Why is yours different than mine?
Because I normally can go... Oh,
leaderboard, right there.
Yeah, leaderboard.
Yep.
Okay.
so that's the men's all
right yeah I feel like I'm
timing my dad all right
again this is preliminary
and we know that people get
booted all the time for not
doing the right thing we're
assuming five spots we're
assuming the invite is
fifteen from their um
Games leaderboard thingy
slash also performing
athletes that they like.
Saxon Pancheck is in first.
Saxon Pancheck in first.
Aldis Upenix in second.
I thought you were just
zooming right into Saxon
and we were just going to
go as close as possible
because you're happy.
No, just so everybody could see.
Fabian Hermans in third,
Enrico Zanoni in fourth,
Tom Kingdon in fifth.
Some notables right outside the top five,
Jorge Fernandez, Guillaume Briand,
Ben Fowler, Travis Mayer, Georges Karavas,
Nate Ackerman.
If we go to the women...
Elisa Fuliano dominating all
of the non-CrossFit events again.
In first, Paige Powers second.
Mathilde Garnes in third.
Aline Wurz in fourth.
Jamie Simmons fifth.
Who just withdrew from WFP.
Mm-hmm.
And then... Yeah,
I was... How do you...
You're injured at WFP.
Yeah.
But then finished fifth in
the qualifier for Rogue.
After...
She had written that
something was bothering her
and then she would get ready for Rogue.
She dropped out and wanted
to just focus on the Rogue
qualifier in her post from WFP.
Paige Powers versus Rogue
video submission system.
Yikes.
I don't think it was the video issue.
It was the extension of her
hips on a block step up.
Which one?
Paige Powers.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, Vela Wilkinson, Maddie Fouts,
Kyra Milligan, Sydney Wells in eleventh.
And that's probably as low
as we'll get to.
I mean, we've seen some,
I think it was last year or
the year before,
someone as far as eleventh place, I think,
made it all the way into the top five.
It could have been even
further with all the
changes that Rogue penalized people for.
So it will be interesting to
see how much this leaderboard changes.
Isn't it amazing how stacked
the women's side is?
I mean,
nice to see Paige back on track
after the baby.
She won WFP Challenger.
Matilda Garnes has been
injured a lot of the year,
I think this year.
So this will be her big
event of the year that we haven't seen.
A lean girl does really well
in the open and a lot of online stuff.
She's got a really good engine,
some good gymnastics.
And then Fuliano has been
doing really well all year,
really anything that she's showed up.
I don't think any huge surprises there.
Good athletes.
Yeah.
And then Saxton on the boys.
That's awesome.
Good for him.
Wait, it's Garness?
Yes.
Garness.
I've interviewed her a bunch of times.
It is Mathilde Garnes.
What did I say?
Did I say Garnes or Garnes?
I don't even know what I said.
I used to say Mathilde Garnes,
but she corrected me.
And...
Cause Jamie, Jamie, uh,
Simmons wrote after not
being able to give my all
an event to speaking about
like WFP and knowing that I
couldn't qualify for the
finals in Copenhagen,
I made the decision to
withdraw and focus on the
road qualifiers next weekend.
That's what she had written.
Um, as to why she withdrew.
I don't remember what the
second event was there.
That was that long event.
Well,
Bernie Gannon says the Vatican is
sending an envoy to
investigate Jamie's
miraculous recovery from the WFP injury.
So this isn't on our agenda,
but now that that's been
brought up in the way she said that,
that is the failing of a
guaranteed contract system.
Yep.
Is Jamie Simmons a pro?
No.
Never mind.
She wasn't at the first one,
so she had no shot of
making it to the second one.
Didn't have enough points,
and that's why she could withdraw,
knowing that maybe
something was bothering her,
and she was like,
let me just take this off
and focus on the Rogue qualifier.
What sucks is she took a
spot away from somebody
else who may have wanted to
give it their all.
Yeah.
Um...
But you still see a lot of
athletes that were just
competing last weekend.
I've competed a lot this month,
and they were still fine to
do the qualifiers.
Isn't that basically what
Jeff said a year ago,
athletes making calculated choices?
Pretty much.
I do think it is,
and we're going to talk
about that in a second,
so I'm just going to shut up.
Anyway, so that was Rogue.
Looks like pretty heavy
hitters on the women's side
for sure in the qualifier.
Saxon's a pretty heavy
hitter on the men's side.
And then you have some games
athletes in the rest of the
top five for sure.
So I'm sure things are going
to be great for them.
But I did see that like
Paige Semenza stood out in
the people who were invited.
I saw someone say that in the chat.
I do agree with that.
She has not had a
top-fifteen kind of performance.
And I love Paige.
She's one of my favorite
people on the planet.
But I just don't see how you
qualify for Rogue as an
invitee when you really
haven't had a top-fifteen
performance in any of the big events.
And if she has, it's been one.
Now,
she usually does well at Rogue because
they do a little bit to
show some athleticism,
and she gets an opportunity
to do that there.
And I'm not just picking on her.
The names that are popping
up just seem weird.
And I haven't like looked at
each name at what their
qualifications are individually.
It just seems,
but it is an invitational
and they can invite whoever they want.
I know.
I feel like this is an issue every year.
Yeah.
Yep.
It is.
It is theirs to do as they wish.
And it's still one of the
most fun events to watch.
And they do the best job of
broadcasting it.
Yeah, for sure.
All right.
So Adaptive Athletes are
going in Vegas this week
for their CrossFit Games.
So we want to wish all of
them good luck as they head out to Vegas.
It is going to be...
broadcast and hosted by bill
grundler and jeremy austin
again who did yeoman's work
last year going division
every division on and did a
great job uh so very
interesting uh discussion
and uh I think that's going
to be fun to watch the next
thing is did you guys see
the mega ramp that rich did
Are you talking about the gymnastics?
Yeah, the Rich Froning mega ramp.
I don't understand people that do that.
There's so much time to take
all that equipment.
And I'm like, for what?
So the way I describe this
is Hillary went to the store and said,
hey, guys,
we have a short amount of time.
I have this really cool idea.
But I didn't even know it was that hard.
For them, they do that stuff all the time.
It's so much work,
and it's not that difficult.
That's difficult, the backwards.
Well, on Peter's podcast,
Rich said that he thinks he
can get it to three sets
all together as one big ramp.
I mean, he's great on his hands.
You would not be surprised at all.
That was impressive.
Too much work.
That is too much work.
It's just unnecessary.
It must be nice to have all
that equipment to be able to do that.
The amount of equipment they
have there is so crazy.
That gym is so just decked out.
It's so beautiful.
It's just don't give anyone ideas.
It's just silly.
Just don't.
Have you been there before, Jamie,
to Mayhem?
It is so massive.
it's so nice that's where we
did legends oh that's right
yeah they set it up because
they can yeah I think it's
a guy thing we love to
build structures like that
then talk about it hey I
know my friends and I did
goofy stuff when the gym
owner would be like hey I
got a road can you guys
lock up of course we can
Yeah,
that is an open gym sesh if I've ever
seen one right there,
playing with all the equipment.
All right.
I skipped over the Wadapalooza workouts,
so we'll do those real quick.
That's this weekend, right?
Wadapalooza?
SoCal?
I thought it was later.
Maybe it's later.
I don't know.
Does it say in the... When is SoCal?
I know it's in September.
I don't know why I have...
Maybe I have the thirteenth
because it's the adaptive
games this weekend.
It is adaptive this weekend.
Maybe that's what I was thinking.
The nineteenth through the twenty-first.
Okay.
Yeah, I got that one mixed up.
Adapted and then SoCal.
Okay.
So this is the first workout.
It is,
it looks like everybody like six men,
six women, a relay of echo on Fran,
twenty one, fifty nine thrusters,
chest to bar pull ups and Cal echo bike.
That's a workout they've
done before years ago.
I think one thirty five ninety five.
It's a gross one.
That is gross.
any thoughts on that one at all?
That's difficult.
I think it was Justin was
saying that that was,
I don't know which one on
the boys interrupted was
saying that this is the
worst workout that they've ever done.
I want to say it was Justin that said it.
Maybe.
Yeah.
And I mean,
they've done a lot of workouts.
Um, yeah, that's, it's a nasty one.
Yeah, no, thank you.
Um, the next workout is the only show.
Jamie's favorite.
We always have a lift.
It is for total combined load.
One man, one woman, one rep max snatch.
One man, one woman,
one rep max clean and jerk.
And then head to head, one versus one.
Man versus man,
then female versus female Isabel.
And then man versus man,
then female versus female Grace.
Okay.
I like that part.
So this is all for the super team stuff,
these workouts?
They also have a competition
with other athletes, right,
that are there?
Or is it just?
I think it's teams.
Everything's teams.
Okay.
No individuals at that one?
I don't think so.
So that's event three.
Yeah, I mean, team world is tough to beat.
I think what makes it
interesting is the Isabel Grace part.
Isabel cycling.
Then we have the SkiErg Shootout.
So basically a biathlon done
CrossFit style,
twenty one eighteen calorie ski erg,
forty foot unbroken
handstand walk slalom course,
seven erg shoot shot attempts.
So they have an erg gun that
you shoot and you take your seven shots.
It's like a laser.
So I tried it at the age group.
Did you try it?
I didn't try it.
I tried to get the people
that were there to watch me.
I tried to get them to sign up for it.
That looked cool.
So Emily Rolfe,
her husband is maybe an
investor or part owner.
I don't want to miss say whatever he did.
So he was showing me I was so bad at it.
Really?
Well, my arms was right after that one,
our one workout, uh, number three,
like my arms were dead.
I was not holding steady.
I was having trouble
extending my elbows at that point.
Um, but I was not good at all, but yeah.
So this is, um,
it is the first team to
twenty successful target hits.
Okay.
Waterfall style workout.
All I can think is duck hunt.
when I see the if it's
anything like that I'm in
I'm sure they'll get some
time to practice too maybe
like the night before and a
couple nights before you
hope because you don't want
to just go out there and
then yeah like the dog to
laugh at her from the
behind the bushes all right
next one is four-legged
relay this is the open water swim
for total time athlete one
so it is not a relay it is
athlete one three hundred
meter open water swim
that's what I saw it was
just one athlete that's
doing it so athlete two
three thousand or twenty
four hundred skier athlete
three four thousand thirty
two hundred echo row and
athlete four four thousand
meter beach run
Tia's like, I'll do,
I'll do the water and the run.
Yeah.
Tia can do like all of it.
Um, yeah, I mean,
it's going to be hard to beat.
Who's a good swimmer on the men's side.
Trying to think of who who's
going to get placed in
those positions on both teams.
Did you put Tia on the run?
to make up whatever time
they need to at the end or on the water.
I don't think it's a long
enough distance on the swim
for her to... Isn't Grace on their team?
If Gracie Walton's there,
I'd put Grace in the water.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Because Tia's going to go on the run,
although she might... Yeah,
if they would have put
James Sprague on there,
he'd be great in the water,
but they didn't invite him.
They really messed up there.
You're not putting Pat
Vellner in the water.
No, you're not putting Pat in the water.
don't put them in the water
but pat's great on the
machines though and then
we've the last one released
is min to max it is four
time this is male male
female versus male female
four time ninety toes to
bar forty five strict wall
facing handstand push-ups
thirty ring muscle-ups
alternating minutes per
teammate so one teammate
goes for a minute switches
for another minute to the
other one and back and forth I like that
I just don't know how
exciting this format is
when it's just like a one-on-one.
When I think about those four athletes,
if you're on the run and you're way ahead,
you don't even have to push the run.
You're just staying ahead of one team.
I really feel like they're
missing on having a couple
more teams and making it
the invitational format.
Because you can have good workouts,
but they're not exciting races.
If there's a gap between them at all.
Yep.
They'll just do enough just
to beat that opponent.
Why would you crush yourself
on the four K run?
If you have a two minute lead or whatever,
you know, uh, any,
any one of these races.
When it's one-on-one,
it's just not – you need
the right – the perfect
matchup like the reps ahead
was only good if you had the perfect,
perfect matchups of stuff.
Last year was really good
when the races were tight.
Yeah,
but if it wasn't – If one got out ahead,
it got real boring real quick.
And that's what's unfortunate.
Like if you had a Team Europe,
a Team Australia, a Team –
I don't know.
You could even do USA and
then Canada different.
Well, the last invitation was Canada, U.S.,
Australia, Europe.
That's perfect.
Yeah.
And Roman could be.
I guess you don't have.
Yeah, that's fine.
Throw them,
throw them with Europe if they need to.
Um,
like I think that would be much better
format,
bring back like invitational stuff
and CrossFit doesn't need to run it,
have water blues that run it.
And it's that format,
like those four teams that was fun.
I agree.
And maybe we're at a point
where we could have five teams.
I don't know.
Yeah.
You hear all the OGs talk
about how much they love
the invitational format.
And I think this is what SoCal is becoming,
but I do think,
and I think they're onto the right thing.
I, but I agree,
add a couple more teams and
I think they've got a winner.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I just don't love the one-on-one format.
I don't think, I don't think it's good.
I like the amount.
I like that.
They can have athletes go in
and out of workouts.
You pick like you have eight
people or whatever it is.
And these athletes do this workout.
Some of them have to do all of it.
But just, yeah, that part needs to change,
the one-on-one.
And it gets more exposure
for more athletes if you go for teams.
And still four lanes on a
field makes it still easy to watch.
Yeah, easy to broadcast.
Yep.
So, yeah,
completely agree with you on that.
So the last couple of things
I wanted to bring up is I
watched and I talked about
this on my show last week.
John Woolley was on with the
girls show in the box office.
And they were talking about WFP.
And I really thought John
Woolley did a great job
explaining kind of how far
behind the eight ball the
WFP is coming into this.
And he did it in a way that
really made sense because
CrossFit has a legacy
that's been established for
fifteen years because Rich
won the games four times
because Tio's won the games
eight times because Matt's
won it five times.
as you come up and you want
to compete in the sport,
you want to be like those guys were.
You want to beat their records.
You want to do what they want to do.
And because of that,
it's going to be really
hard for the WFP to elevate
to the same level of the CrossFit Games.
And then on the flip side, he said,
what the WFP could become
is a great developmental league,
To get people ready and for
the young up-and-coming
stars to sign and do that
and create a place for them to grow.
And if you can create
loyalty with those athletes,
that's when you can kind of
get some footing and maybe
they'll choose to stay with
you because of how they
were treated as opposed to
the legacy of the other thing.
But you can't buy legacy.
And I think that's what
they're trying to do now.
Mm-hmm.
So, I just,
I really thought that that was
the best way I've heard it
put between the two in a
very logical manner and not
an emotional way, if that makes sense.
Yes.
So,
happens in mma you have pfl
bellator yeah you have the
different leagues and at
different levels and I
think it works and then I
saw whoever's read I think
that's carolyn the boys
interrupted podcast in josh
bridges I haven't watched
that one yet oh it was good
I just think it was cool.
Like they were, you know,
at first kind of chirping
each other cause they're being boys.
Um, but then they got into, you know,
some history of things and, um,
appreciating like some of
like the things that josh
did in his prime and what
like what they looked up to
of what he did and then he
also talked about them and
like different things that
they have to work on and I
just thought it was a
really cool conversation
and it was really like nice
to see an og talk to the current
you know,
athletes that are just up there
in the sport.
Um,
they were trying to get some stuff out
of him from the rogue invitational.
Cause he programs with, uh, with Katie and,
uh, spieler.
So they were trying to see
if they could get anything.
And the only way they got was at one point,
um,
Uh,
what's his hopper like was saying how he,
one of his like biggest weaknesses,
I think it was like strict
ring muscle ups.
And then Josh was like, oh yeah,
like that's, uh,
that shouldn't be in a competition.
And then hopper was like,
so it's not going to be at
rogue invitational.
Um,
cause Josh won't give up anything of
course, to, um, the programming, but no,
I just thought that that
was a good conversation.
If you haven't watched it.
Um, I've really like enjoyed their,
their show.
Um,
I think that the guests that they have
on and just,
just the conversations and stuff,
it's nice to look into their,
their thoughts on things.
their last two have been exceptional.
I got through the first half of Josh,
all the pads.
And, um, and I,
what I like about it is
because it's their show, like they're,
they seem to be more open
and transparent about how they feel.
Yeah.
Jason talking about how hard
it was for him to get
motivated after winning the
games for the WFP.
Like I could see that.
He just gave everything he
had to this one thing to
accomplish that one goal.
And then to rev it back up
two weeks later was hard for him.
And I thought that was cool
that he admitted that.
And then I loved the Dallin
and Pat because Dallin had
the horrible day one at WFP.
And Pat was like,
I know what it feels like.
I do it every time.
But I feel like Dallin was...
talking about day one,
as in he was fatigued or
something from the games.
I just think those movements
are not necessarily his wheelhouse,
and that's just where he is.
I was kind of sick of all
the excuses about the games,
to be honest.
They had three weeks.
I feel like most of them are fine,
but if they have a bad day or a bad event,
all of a sudden you're
tired from the games,
and then other people that
were fine felt... It just
is like... I don't know.
That's just my opinion.
Maybe it's...
So like,
I don't see him being a top ten in
a running workout.
Right.
And that's just where it is.
He's going to do amazing on
everything else.
And he made his way all the
way back to fourth place.
Exactly.
Amazing.
It's just like Pat's day ones.
Pat wasn't going to be a top
fifteen in a swimming event,
a top twenty.
Like it just what it just
that's the order of the events.
I think that's what I felt like.
I don't think that.
I don't think that three weeks later,
most of those athletes,
like the way that they train,
this was the lowest volumes games.
I understand the feeling hyped to compete,
but I don't think it's a,
I think maybe a mental
fatigue versus a physical
fatigue is the difference.
I think that you could kind of go,
but I don't think the
physical fatigue from the
games this year is a huge
for those athletes.
A lot of them are doing the
road qualifier this weekend.
All right.
One,
I think what you're saying is they
need to suck it up and
just... You did two games in two weeks.
The Clutch did three games.
The Sarah girl just did the
Rogue qualifier as well.
A lot of people are competing all the time,
especially when you're
desperate to make a name
for yourself or whatnot.
You're willing to compete
whenever you have to.
Sydney Wells is doing the qualifier here.
I don't know who else that
was just at WFP.
There's a lot of them that
they don't say anything.
They're doing as much as they can.
I don't know.
What I will say is if you win the games,
the emotional and
adrenaline rush is
completely different than
participating in both.
The one person I get it for is Hopper.
You hit the mountaintop.
in the biggest win in the
sport to get yourself back
up three weeks later.
Yeah.
Because like people are like, you know,
Colton did find it both.
And Jeff was healthy and Bubba,
none of them won the hopper one, the,
the prize of the year.
And then you're just like,
it has to be a breath of like,
just relax for a little bit
and hard to get it back out
to the garage or out to the gym.
After you just won,
you want to relish in it at
least for a little bit.
And they go back to
competing three weeks later,
got to be tough.
But for the rest of you, I agree.
Like,
but like they were talking about that.
They felt great right after
the games and like,
they were actually ready to
get back into it.
And,
not just talking about that group,
like just everyone in general.
Like I saw them back in the
gym and take a little bit, few days off.
And I don't know.
I just think some,
sometimes like those are
the events that weekend.
There's nothing you can like,
it's just those people
executed better and did
better on those workouts.
You gave it your best effort.
And like Dallin,
you gave it your best effort.
Like he never said that he didn't try.
He just didn't have it in him that day.
And like that's sports.
I don't think it necessarily
has to get blamed on having the games.
Sometimes you just show up
to a game and you shit the bed.
It's not necessarily
anything you did the night before.
It's just how it is.
That day you didn't have the energy.
Kenneth,
podiuming and winning are two
different things.
That is all I'm going to say about that.
There's one ultimate goal.
When you hit that ultimate goal,
you are going to relax after you win.
That is all I'm saying.
And to go to something that
honestly is not viewed at
as high as the games is
you're going to be hard
finding the motivation to
get back up for that when
you're sitting there with a
gold medal around your neck.
It's just going to be hard.
kenneth fraser went away for
six weeks and after every
games fraser didn't compete
very often fraser would do
rogue no I don't think he
ever did rogue he did game
season he went to dubai the
year I was there I know
that I don't think he did
many competitions though
I have a question on Frazier
since he got brought up
because Aaron was talking
about this last week after we got off.
He was like,
you guys talking about all the machines,
do you think Frazier would
have been as dominant?
I mean, I think he still would have won,
but with that many machines...
I mean,
I think he would have figured it
out and put in the work and
all the machines,
but I do think he would
have had less of an
advantage with the way that
some of the programming has gone.
If he didn't win by four
hundred and five hundred points,
I would say maybe you have
an argument there.
Yeah.
I don't I'm not saying he wouldn't win,
but I don't know.
I don't think it would have
been as much of like I
don't know that he would
have also won just mentally
like he like he showed up
and everyone already knew
they're going for second.
Like, it was more than just, like,
he was just, yeah.
His presence was just.
Yeah, I don't know.
Some of that stuff,
I do think kind of like Colton, like,
he would have had to work
extra hard on some of those events.
But he's just so much fitter that.
I know.
Jamie,
if it was a two hundred point difference.
I didn't say he's not going to win.
I'm just saying it.
Maybe it would have won by
two hundred instead of four hundred.
I'm just saying.
He was, other than no year against Noah,
there was never a doubt
that he was going to win.
And it wasn't even within a
few hundred points.
I don't know.
Just bodes for these bigger men.
It would have been
interesting to see a
machine-heavy games with
Frazier in the mix.
What?
I think he was just so elite
everywhere else that I think that, I mean,
it's like Tia.
Tia's probably one.
Tia,
I think her body weight is one of the
smallest ones in the field.
She's like maybe one forty ish.
And I would say the average
on the female might be one
fifty five to one sixty on
average or some on both
range on both sides.
She still does it.
Yeah.
But like her worst events
are often like a echo bike power out.
But unless like if it's
paired with low skill
things that she can't make
up where like everyone else
is unbroken everywhere else,
like she'll maybe there
give up a few points, but not much.
She's so far ahead.
All right.
Last time I'm addressing this.
I would think if you won,
you would want to go hard
so it didn't raise these questions.
Sprague never slowed down.
He silenced a lot of critics.
Hopper didn't do that.
The number of critics that
James had after last year
and everything that
happened at the games was
way more than what Hopper
got this year in a full
field at the CrossFit Games.
So he didn't have the critics to silence.
I mean, it's also six events.
It's not the same as like more events.
It's your...
the leaderboard would take
shape differently.
And they're not claiming
that their test is the test
of the fittest necessarily.
Right.
And he won in a full field games.
Yes, it was mostly indoors.
And yes, you could,
there are some questions if
you want to pull them all up,
but winning WFP or podium at WFP,
isn't going to change any of that.
People left and went home.
So that's why there were way
more critics of his.
But I think James has
silenced his critics.
I totally agree.
Oh, absolutely.
None of this is a dig on him.
And James is a different
person than Jason.
Just like Rich is different than Matt.
Rich wouldn't have gone to a
cabin in the woods for six
weeks and taken that time off.
Rich would have worked out every day.
That doesn't mean either one
of them are less great at what they did.
So there.
Getting me all fired up
right before bedtime and
now I'm not going to be able to sleep.
James has had a very good...
year of competition,
extremely consistent
besides the rogue invitational, um,
coming off the sickness.
He's been rock rock solid
everywhere and really has made impressive,
um, gains in his strength.
Yes.
Really impressive.
Um, yeah.
If eight months ago,
I would have told you that
James would not lose to
Dallin other than rogue.
You would have called me crazy.
so there we ended with a
nice little banter sorry I
was just like frustrated
seeing all like there was
and I'm not talking about
like just a lot of posts
talking about like post
games and using that as an
excuse yeah excuse
replacements and stuff like
that and I'm like
Just that's where you were that weekend on,
on that competition,
on those workouts and those
athletes that were in front
of you were better.
And that's what the case for
every competition.
And I agree with you on all of that.
I,
the only person I give the J O free card
is a hopper for winning.
That's it.
Like I get the mental,
like getting amped up for
this competition is not the
same at all as the CrossFit games.
Like it's a different competition.
Um,
but you show up and those athletes are
doing their best.
Like if they're resting,
it's cause they probably needed the rest.
Um,
and then there's some execution errors
and that's just what's going to happen.
But yeah.
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